#gina agreste

[miraculous-metamorphosis]

Love what you're doing!!! Is there anything about Marinette's and Adrien's family? Pics or just some more info about them? (I'm also kinda guessing that Julia is supposed to be Manon's replacement?)

Mod CN- So first thing's first, Manon isn't getting replaced! Marinette just has a younger sister now! But Julia and Manon are best friends.

But we did design the whole family! In fact, we designed literally every single character in the show, we just haven't shown them yet!

But for the Dupain-Chengs, we gave Marinette a younger sister b/c we felt like Mathias and Lucy would be the type of couple to have two children, by personal preference and the culture Lucy grew up in.

Mathias and Lucy haven't changed up much personality-wise in Metamorphosis, but Mathias is now a little bit more over-protective, based off of his characterization in the movie.

Lucy's side of the family is much more involved in the story now! Zhihao, Marinette's great-uncle, would be moving in to Paris to start a new restaurant there, and we plan to have several episodes focusing on giving Shu-Yin a character! We're still designing Marinette's maternal grandparents, but we have plans to give them a semi-big role in season 4!

Also, we're still working on this, but we plan to bring in some family angst, focusing on how Gina isn't spending a lot of time with her family. Making her a good person, just overall acknowledging her flaws more. As well as a deceased bigoted grandfather who still gives Mathias and Lucy trouble, even after he's long gone.

Mod LB- As for the Lachances... let's start with the elephant in the room.

As we have addressed in many posts, Gabriel is NOT the butterfly holder in this universe, neither is Nathalie for the peacock.

Despite this, Gabriel is still going to be the cause of MANY problems.

We're leaning on the idea that Gabriel is more superstitious in this rewrite, he believes in something called "The Lachance Luck." Which he believes is the root that leads to all the misfortunes the family had experienced over the years.

Also, in case you're wondering where Adrien's Bodyguard/Gorilla/Placide I.T. is, he's Major Daume now! Based off of his original conceptual design found here. We plan for Daume to be more of the fatherly figure to Adrien, allowing him to sneak around and find loopholes to give the kid more freedom. He also learns of Adrien's identity mid-season 1, and keeps it a secret, even from Adrien. He prefers to wait for Adrien to open up on his own.

Nathalie is toned down a little from the series, no longer an explorer hired by Tomoe or whatever, she's just a stoic secretary who eventually becomes more motherly to Adrien and Felix.

Amelie actually moves in with the Lachances after the death of Colt Fathom. She's still the same as she was in the series, although she butts heads with her brother-in-law frequently over his parenting skills.

As for the deceased... Emilie is, no questions asked, no ambiguity, just outright dead. A woman who haunts the narrative, and drives most of Gabriel's actions posthumously. But we still plan to give her a character, and a LOT of flaws, so she isn't going to be a fridged wife.

Oh also colt fathom isn't an abusive asshole, or that important. Just some yankee-doodle-dandy who kicked the bucket. But his death did impact who Felix is as a character, making him grow up too fast and learn to be more responsible for his grieving mother and family.

[cardiac-agreste]

I am filled with excitement, nerves, dread, and pride to announce that I am taking part in the @mlbigbang this year. Starting January 8, I will be posting my Sabine fic, A Small but Stubborn Fire! AHHHHHH!

First, the team! The incomparable @uptoolateart beta read my fic, and helped shepherd it along. I've also got @naz-artz and @izanogi helping me bring visuals to Sabine's story. So many others have helped in great and small ways, and I'm overwhelmed with the support the community has given me since I decided to write my lil story. Which became a big story.

Synopsis: What if you were the parent of a teenage superhero, but didn't know they were? All you know is the nightmares, the panic attacks, and the bruises. She's missing school, she's disappearing on you, and she's not telling you anything.

So you assume the worst: Assault. Depression. She doesn't trust you anymore.

And what do you do when you realize you weren't thinking dark enough? That your fourteen-year old daughter is the hero who flirts with death on the nightly news.

More below the fold:

AO3-Style Tags: Marinette & Sabine; Tom/Sabine; minor Adrienette; Marinette Dupain Cheng; Sabine Cheng; Tom Dupain; Adrien Agreste; Rolland Dupain; Gina Dupain; Good Mother Nathalie Sancoeur; Sabine's mother!; Sabine's sister!; angst; hurt/comfort; Chinese culture; happy ending; inter-generational trauma; Sabine's mom, Gabriel, and Tomoe should start a Bad Parents Club; SABINE KNOWS KUNG FU; IDENTITY REVEAL; IDENTITY SHENANIGANS; SO MUCH DRAMATIC IRONY; Nobody better forget Marinette is half-Chinese; etc.

Excerpt:

She was surprised at how easy she found it to invade Marinette’s privacy this morning, and how quick she was to turn critical. It was Marinette’s diary, after all—she could write as sloppy as she wanted. Trust her.

“I’ll be back down in a sec, Alya. I can’t believe I forgot my backpack!” shouted Marinette from a few feet away. Sabine startled, but couldn’t see any way to avoid getting caught.

“Maman! What are you doing?!”

She spun around, schooling her face not to betray her guilt. “I thought I had left my ring up here last night after your latest nightmare. I was hoping you’d found it but forgotten it on your desk.”

Marinette ran over and scooped her diary up from her desk, closed it, and hugged it to her chest. ”The ring…on your finger?”

“What?” Caught. Sabine looked down at her trembling fingers. “Yes! Oh, haha! Silly me, it was right there the whole time! Oh, please don’t tell your father, he’ll tease me for days.”

“...right.” Marinette shifted from one foot to the other, seemingly unable to stay still. Sabine wondered if it was just the invasion of privacy that had Marinette anxious.

Marinette gulped loudly. She slapped her free hand over her mouth and laughed nervously. Then she spun around and rushed to her backpack, sliding the diary inside.

Sabine was proud of herself that in the end she hadn’t peeked, but at the same time she wished her eyes had accidentally scanned a few pages. She wanted the knowledge, but knew she shouldn’t get it this way.

She walked to the attic door and stepped through to the ladder. As she took the rungs one at a time, she ran her hand along the trim of the door, feeling the wood grain beneath her fingers, and she paused. “Marinette? You know I love you very much, right?”

“Of course!”

“And you don’t think I’m too hard on you?”

Marinette tilted her head and looked at her, her eyes revealing confusion and concern. “No, not at all! Maman, is there something wrong?“

Sabine angled her face down when she realized she was straining to smile. She inspected the ladder like she needed to pay attention while she descended, as if she hadn’t been doing this every day for years.

“No, nothing’s wrong. Sometimes parents want what’s best for their kids but don’t know if they’re doing the right thing.”

She heard Marinette shuffle toward the hatch and felt a hand slide over hers . There was Marinette, crouched low, moving her forehead in to touch hers, smiling broadly.

“I’m so happy you’re my mother. Don’t worry about a thing; I’m not going anywhere.” Her phone tolled with incoming messages, probably from Alya. “Ahhh!!! Except to school! Because I’m late! And grounded! Move, Maman!”

[aldrendaux]

Chapters: 71/71 Fandom: Miraculous Ladybug Rating: Teen And Up Audiences Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply Relationships: Alya Césaire & Marinette Dupain-Cheng | Ladybug, Adrien Agreste | Chat Noir/Marinette Dupain-Cheng | Ladybug, onesided Ninette, Adrien Agreste | Chat Noir & Nino Lahiffe Characters: Marinette Dupain-Cheng | Ladybug, Roland Dupain, Gina Dupain, Wang Cheng, Chloé Bourgeois, Alya Césaire, Adrien Agreste | Chat Noir, Bridgette (Miraculous Ladybug), Nino Lahiffe, Lila Rossi Additional Tags: Alternate Universe, Alternate Universe - Canon Divergence, Bee!Rose, snake!Chloé, Kwami Swap Summary:

Marinette's parents have died, leaving her all alone in the world at five. And with limited options, she has no choice but to live with her grandfather.

Roland Dupain never got to make amends with his son, but perhaps he can do right by him by raising his daughter. And Roland does love Marinette. But that doesn't mean he lets go of his traditional ways of thinking.

AU created by chibiphoebe https://chibiphoebe.tumblr.com/

[miraculous-prompts]

Grab a dictionary, flip to a random page and point, use that word to create a scene using Fox!Fei, Befana, Gabriel as Bakerix, Fox!Olympia, Peacock!Caline, and Furious Fu

[rahedlinoodles]

Nora got a huge glow up!

What happened to Audrey's eyes? She looks so uncanny now

Miraculous Ladybug - Character Family Trees Source (x formerly twitter)

[sylvanfreckles]

Day Seventeen: Heirloom

“…yes, he seems like a nice enough boy. But, Tom, why didn’t you tell me you were adopting? I would have brought him a gift.”

[eightofpents]

incoherent werepapas thoughts below the cut.

this Fucking episode.

First of all what a great fucking Gorilla episode. Everyone else go home this is about him now.

I love him so much. I Need more of Nathalie and Le Gorille please please please

I hate tom's new face a lot for some reason. And Adrien's portuguese va.

I think it's a symptom of very mid subtitles but I hope Gina really does call Adrien a princess.

They've upgraded to 2 hamsters!

oh my god "Give me Nathalie."

headcanon confirmed: they're living in the Graham de Vanily's house. I'm sure Gabriel Hated that :)

It's one thing to turn into your father. It's another to turn into your father in law.

I would die for Gabriel's mother. I would kill for Emilie's.

Living in sin, 50 years, still goin' strong <3

So there's, like, alcohol in the cheese, right? I assume if I was the type of person who knew what the hell food that's supposed to be I would know this.

FINALLY MAGICAL GIRL TRANSFORMATION SEQUENCE the new earring thing is so cooool. the sparkles the wingssss

Why does she make Wolf Grassette so beefy.

Someone pointed out the fan lucky charm from the trailer, calling Felix to mind. It's also preceded by Master Fu's (apparently very heavy?) teapot. I have no idea if they're intentional?

Marinette tries real hard to get Grandma to give up the akuma, so if Felix Did do something with the amok, she's not in on it.

Five feet apart cause they're not gay.

MY MAN! HE'S SUCH AN ASSHOLE. I LOVE HIM

Baby Nathalie! She's not wearing her glasses? Her hair is redder here but her eye shadow is back, ie, one is stylistic, one is Nathalie. I can't tell if her lipstick is meant to be pink or red, but her nails are light again. Also no earrings.

Why's the fucking funeral portrait up already.

They moved the stairs in Adrien's room for some reason. Someday I'm gonna have something concrete and/or erudite to say about the layout of this house and then you'll all get to see how obsessed I am with it.

On that topic. I believe we don't get to see the stairs over the new elevator. (Stupid lamp in the way :/) And Adrien goes the long way around. So I wonder if they, did something there?

Also finally a (real) look at the Agreste's bedroom!

They don't get a fireplace for some reason! (More fuel for my Nathalie's-in-the-master-bedroom-actually thoughts :] ) (It could be on a different wall, sure, but it belongs on that one.)

And why'd they do this to the doors?? That line should Not reach the top it looks dumb. They changed the double doors a little too but those look fine. (Great, actually.)

OH ALSO bullshit Emilie's getting around that house in a wheelchair its a fucking death trap.

[akumatisedhamster]

Okokokok I’m going to start posting spoilers from the Trailer of Season 6 x 05 (Werepapas) and I am so excited because you finally see Adrien’s grandparents. At first I thought they were chip shaped entities that looked like a squarer version of Mr Banana because I saw that artwork on Tumblr (I’ll find the link and update later because I’m about to go on a tangent and rant) (EDIT: I found it! It’s here go check it out!).

AsjHauwodofopwmwa

Spoilers from the trailer for S6x05 look away!

First! We see Natalie with her new hair dye, and she looks stunning and then she gets a phone call from this number - look!

It appears to be written in some form of gibberish. Nice nails by the way, Natalie. You go girl, living the post-Gabriel life. Probably some family crest for the Graham de Vanily?!

Ok and then we see the grandparents. The Agreste’s appear to arrive by motorcycle and are you just imagining them getting along with Gina and taking their grandkids on road trips with their motorbikes?!?!

And awww they’re kissing!!

Sure defeats that theory that Gabriel’s parents sucked and that’s why he never learned how to parent himself. Maybe they do suck, I don’t know. But they’re so adorable!!

The Graham de Vanily’s arrive by helicopter, a gold one no less, and everyone looks a bit shook. I wouldn’t be surprised if they want to fight to take custody away from Natalie because Adrien later looked upset and hugs her and she holds herself back. Don’t do it girl!! Be the parent Adrien needs!!!

Here they are seemingly having a tense conversation.

Look at Mrs Grassette. She reminds me of Anarka.

Looks like Emelie’s mum gets akumatised. You can tell they’re related because she looks like her, only not dead.

Cuties.

Old little cuties.

[kaileedraws]

Adrien’s Career Choice

Hey guys! I was working last night and it just occurred to me that I think I found the best career option for our Adrien Agreste — when he figures out who he is, at least.

First responder (specifically EMS or Police)

Why?

He likes helping people

His humor would be appreciated (knowing from experience)

He’s smart, good at math, and likes adventure

It’s literally like being Chat Noir but, a career

But of course, our boy couldn’t be a first responder as Adrien Agreste, considering Chat Noir is also technically a first responder, leaving his job would be difficult in the middle of a shift, and Gabriel would never approve. The solution?

Chat Noir takes the job instead and works overnight when he can (I get that most shifts are 24 hours on call, but considering he’s leading a double life and a superhero I’m sure some agreement can be made - especially if he decides just to volunteer as needed).

I can also imagine the scenario where he’s applying for the job as Chat Noir and:

Supervisor: I know you’re a superhero and all and you want to help, but you’re a vigilante, so I doubt you have the right certification

Chat Noir: *whips out an EMT and BLS certification with his face plastered on the front* You were saying?

And like, the catch is that he actually stumbled in on a BLS class, liked it, and decided to — as his superhero alter ego — take legitimate EMT classes so that he is qualified to perform basic lifesaving care on an ambulance when he didn’t need to be catching akumas.

Either that, or he just really likes police/first responder shows

But like, he just wants to volunteer — he’s not even in it for the money. It’s just fun to him and fulfilling to help others.

And when Ladybug finds out, it plays out like:

Ladybug: Dude how the hell did you find time to get an actual EMT license as Chat Noir?

Chat Noir: Easy — I actually have time for lots of things — Oh! Which reminds me *takes out a painted vase* I made this for you. I tried to win headphones for you on Bingo Night but Gina won. She’s such a bitch.

Ladybug: what the fuck, Cat. *secretly jealous that she didn’t think of the EMT idea first - if she had time at least*

Art is coming for this, but I think I’m leaning toward the EMT side of things for our boy. I’ll have some EMT!Chat noir art soon!

Thoughts?

[toxinellebug]

Shadybug/ClawNoir supporting character Headcanons

Jagged Stone? More like Jared Smith. He wanted to be a rockin musician, but his type of music is banned by the Supreme so his career never took off. Instead, he ended up marrying his girlfriend, Nannette Couffaine, after accidentally knocking her up with twins, released his pet crocodile into the Seine, got an apartment, and works a regular job that he HATES. But, he secretly still tries to record music and sells it on the black market where it has become somewhat popular in the indie underground, but if he were caught he would go to prison for sure. It’s not a happy marriage but he does what he has to. His kids last names are hyphenated Couffaine-Smith.

No houseboat, and without Royalties from music labels, neither Juleka or Luka could afford to go to Francois Dupont

Penny works as an assistant for Bob Roth and HATES IT. The man is a sexist slave driver, but this business is brutal.

Nadja Chamack is not a news anchor. You can’t be a single mother AND have a career that takes up so much of your time. As a result, Marinette has never had to babysit Manon.

Lila wants to challenge Chloe’s position as queen of the school, but there are no lies about charity work, only lies of what powerful and famous connections she has.

Adrien is not interested in being friendly with Lila, and definitely not going to help her with schoolwork. But he is still the ultimate trophy and key to winning popularity in Lila’s eyes, so she is determined to “win him over”, even though he finds her almost as annoying as Chloe, but Chloe he is stuck with due to her mom’s working relationship with his dad.

Gabriel doesn’t trust Lila one bit.

The sad and negative emotions he is forced to sense due to the power of the Butterfly brooch cause him distress, and he often has to excuse himself due to “headaches” from overworking, as a creative’s work is never done… But he is always listening for the emotions of people crying out for justice, for help, for people who wish they had the power to help.

Andre Glacier is still the Sweetheart’s ice-cream maker, but Sweetheart’s ice-cream is just a special menu item that you can request. Otherwise he has a scheduled route and serves the ice-cream that customers ask for.

Alya’s dad wishes the zoo could focus more on animal enrichment and larger enclosures but they don’t have the budget for such “unnecessary extravagences”.

Mr. Haprel hopes to make it as a famous Mime one day so he can be rich enough to afford to send his daughter, Mylene, to the school he works at as a janitor.

Everyone avoids Ivan.

Thomas Astruc never made it as a famous director, rather, the Supreme favored his University Rival, Andre Bourgeois, who also owns the Le Grande Paris Hotel.

Gina and Roland Dupain are not divorced/separated per say… Gina was sent to prison for civil disobedience. That’s why Tom is a doormat and just goes along with whatever discipline Sabine decides on because he doesn’t want his precious little girl to end up a criminal like her grandmother.

Sabine does not teach an inkpainting class on the weekend or practice tai chi or feng shui.

The walls of Marinette’s home are not pink, they are a boring beige that she hates.

The Agreste Manor is not a sterile, black and white modern decor dungeon. It is a prism of color, function, form, beauty and nature with nods to antiquity and the whimsical. Adrien HATES it. All color and light left this world when his mother died. The art in his house mocks his pain.

There is no school blog for Nathaniel to post his art on… But Marc ended up in that class instead of Marinette. (So did Mireille) He’s still too shy to admit he’s a writer. And even more shy to admit he has a crush on Nathaniel, so all he can do is watch the boy quietly. Rose thinks it’s a romantic tragedy and wants to play matchmaker. Alex thinks it’d be a disaster waiting to happen.

There is no Prince Ali who gives toys to sick kids in hospitals.

There is nothing as frivolous as videogame tournaments, so Max devotes all his spare time to his hobby of robotics and developing an AI… but developing an artificial intelligence is frowned upon. Luckily, Alya can keep a secret… that is, if Max is willing to spare some of his time to helping her havkninto the dark web to research conspiracy theories.

Wayhem is obseesed with Adrien, who can’t stand crazy fanatics and won’t lose any sleep if the Gorilla tackles the scrawny boy to the ground.

After much convincing, bullsh**ing, and bribes, Gabriel is able to host his derby hat design competition at Francois Dupont, (and hopefully, modelling his classmate’s creations will be a bonding point for Adrien to make a new friend) Rose sees it as an opportunity to tries to get Marc and Nathaniel to work with her to create a hat, hoping sparks will fly between them.

Even if Marinette WANTED to enter a stupid contest involving that spoiled, stuck-up Agreste boy, which she DOESN’T, her mother won’t allow it because sewing and doodling outfits is a distraction from her schoolwork.

Chloe still cheats.

But Shadybug discreetly sabotages the fashion show the winning hat is supposed to feature in.

Nathalie never became Gabriel’s assistant or even acquaintance. Instead, she is in charge of the department of the Louvre that archives and locks away all “banned” art and artifacts (aka anything related to Miraculous holders)

Alex thinks she’s creepy and hates how she coldly bosses around her dad.

Audrey is the same as ever, with the exception that she recognizes that her younger daughter Zoe has some talent, and wants Andre to find a movie part for her to play, and ignores Chloe’s bitter jealousy which causes her to lash out at others even nastier than in Ladybug and Cat Noir’s universe.

Nino is treated rudely and ignored by Adrien. Adrien would never agree to play a role in Nino’s movie and even accuses Nino of trying to use Adrien’s celebrity status to give himself an unfair advantage in the student movie competition.

Adrien doesn’t have time for stupid group projects or after school activities. But not because he has a full schedule since this Universe’s Gabriel is a decent father who does not demand perfection and give a 14 year old a burdensome schedule… It’s because outside of fencing and modeling, Adrien plans to spend his time planning out which sections of the city he’s going to take his anger out on that night.

Gabriel never forgot his roots as the son of a fry-cook, and occasionally tries to cook comfort food (NOT PANCAKES) for Adrien, who insists he’s not hungry or that junk is bad for his skin/weight, which has Gavriel worried about Adrien developing body dysphoria and eating disorders… These worries are put to rest when he finds out Adrien has suddenly developed a sweet tooth for baked goods. Therefore he has no qualms about his son frequenting the local bakery so often because a growing boy needs to eat and a treat is good for the spirit.

He wishes he could be more honest with Adrien, but he knows that it would destroy his son if he ever found out that the sickness that took his mother’s life was caused by his creation… He’s also not sure what kind of trauma Adrien would have to the fact he’s not human.

Gabriel also doesn’t want Adrien in danger. Gabriel wants to create a better world for his son to live in, a world where he and everyone else can be free! Where people can throve without stepping over others, and the poor don’t have to suffer. Where people have rights to love freely and express opinions without fear. A world where people help one another.

Gabriel would never use the rings to control Adrien, instead, he keeps them locked away in a safe, and plans to give them to Adrien someday when he is an adult and less likrly to misplace them because if they were to fall into the wrong hands, Gabriel shudders to think of what would become of Adrien.

Audrey still has a low key crush on Gabriel which makes him cringe but he still acts polite to keep up working relations, and he also pities his friend Andre, trapped in a one-sided marriage and bullied by his daughter and his wife.

[awholelotofladybug]

(stammering adrien au) Marinette, honey, we learned about Adrien's grandparents and we've met your Nonna, but what about your grandfather? What's he like?

"It's... Not easy to talk about. My grandfather is very, um, well, let's just say he's "old school" regarding his worldviews, and it can be a little difficult to talk to him sometimes. And I'm a bit nervous because we're having a big dinner with the Agrestes soon and I'm worried that my grandpa will be rude to Adrien's moms."

"You're n-n-n-not the only one who's nervous. My grandparents are coming too, and my m-m-m-m-maternal grandfather has always been a bit, um, harsh."

"Calm down, you two. It'll be fine. I spoke with Gina, Millie, Gabrielle, and your mothers. We're going to work together to make sure your grandfathers behave themselves."

[starsfic]

Imagine when Lilia comes to the boiling isles, it's cause she's running from a bus supposed to correct her while Marinette and Adrien are trying to get her on there

(Vee will still pose as Luz, Camilia's finance are stable again but she's deeply troubled by Lilia's self-centered personality

The battle against Shadowmoth had been long and hard.

But, at the end, good triumphed over evil.

Gabriel Agreste was arrested with his accomplices Nathalie Sancoeur, Chloé Bourgeois, and Lila Rossi. The latter was why Ladybug and Chat Noir found themselves in the police station with Gina Rossi, an Italian diplomat, and Alya. (Ladybug wasn’t sure how the latter got in here (based on her face, neither did she) but she was willing to let Alya get a look.)

“Based on her records, this seems…” Roger hissed through his teeth as he flipped through the file. “Not a surprise.” he finally settled on.

Gina looked ready to faint. “This isn’t new behavior?”

Roger looked up from the file with a raised brow. “Ma’am, did you not look at the record of the girl you were adopting?” Ladybug opened her mouth, only barely managing to get ahold of herself to clap her hands over Chat and Alya’s mouths before the questions could come out. She had no idea Lila had even been adopted. Poor Mrs. Rossi looked ready to faint already. “According to her file, starting at a young age, Lila has shown a history of lying.”

“That can’t- I didn’t-” Gina snatched the file and started scanning it, her face slowly getting more and more pale. “...this can’t…” Ladybug released her partner and her best friend’s mouths so they could step closer and peek over. Alya whistled.

Lila’s file was long.

The first recorded incident was when Lila was five. She accused a daycare worker of giving her food she was allergic to. The new manager had fired the poor girl on the spot, not even giving her a chance to explain until Lila’s bio mom, one Ms. Camila Noceda, had come to pick the twins up from daycare.

“Lila doesn’t have allergies.”

The daycare worker, as it turned out, had said no to Lila taking a doll from Luz. She had been restated with much higher pay soon after. The Nocedas had given her money for the lost wages.

The second had been aimed at a family friend of the Nocedas. Six-year-old Lila, with a new black eye, had accused the boy of hitting her at a party. The entire family had been outraged until they learned the boy wasn’t there…by him returning from his part time job. As it turned out, Lila had just tripped.

The pattern continued. Lila would lie, only to have her lie revealed. As time continued, the lies grew bigger and closer together. Soon, Lila was lying all the time. In the notes that Gina flipped through, Ladybug made a note.

Most of the lies were revealed by Lila’s twin, Luz, or the girl’s bio parents. Distance began to appear. The last incident happened…

Her blood ran cold.

There had been an accident on a family boating trip. Luz Noceda had fallen overboard while apparently not wearing her life vest. Lila had never been solidly accused, but it was noted that she was the last one to see Luz alive. The little girl’s body had never been found.

Now, Marinette knew Lila was bad. Who got a kick out of lying to people? But she was starting to learn, more and more, how evil she was.

Luz had been like her. A weird girl who still spoke the truth and disrupted Lila’s lies. Unlike her, she had been listened to. And for that, Lila had possibly killed her.

(For a second, she felt smug. Adrien could take the high road and shove it.)

“We actually called Camila Noceda in to ask her questions,” Roger said, wreaking the silence. “She’s on her way in now.”

“Does she need someone to pick her up?” Chat Noir asked.

Roger shook his head. “You misunderstand. She’s walking into the building now.”

The door opened. “Right this way, madame,” an officer said in English. “Camila Noceda is here, sir.”

Camila Noceda was a woman with dark bags under her eyes and a soft frown. She wore a yellow sweater that seemed to have been hastily pulled over a medical uniform. She was a pretty older woman with grey starting to soften the dark curls in her hair. Ladybug couldn’t see any resemblance to Lila from just one look.

“What did she do?”

Roger blinked. “What?”

“Lila. What did she do this time?” Chat and Alya both winced at the harshness. Camila sighed and rubbed her eyes. “Sorry. It’s a surprise to get a call about your biological daughter so late in the evening.”

“It’s nothing to be offended about, madame,” Ladybug couldn’t help but take a step forward and grip Camila’s hand. Exhaustion lined the poor woman’s voice, and this whole experience, based on the last incident, must’ve been making her flashback. “I’m sorry to have to drag you in like this. We just have some questions about Lila Rossi’s lying habit.”

A warm smile bloomed to life. “Thank you, sweetheart,” Camila reached up and patted her cheek. Maternal warmth seemed to seep off her now. Ladybug couldn’t help but lean into the warm touch, suddenly reminded of her own mother. “I’m happy to answer any questions, but what did Lila do?”

Oh boy. Ladybug glanced around. Roger, Chat, and Alya didn’t meet her eyes. It seemed like-

“It was my fault.” Gina stood up straight, shoulders clenched. “I’m Gina Rossi, Lila’s m…” She paused and shook her head. “Lila’s adoptive mother. I think we spoke on the phone when I adopted her.”

Camila nodded. “We did. You were so excited to welcome Lila into your family.” Her smile turned sadder. “I hated giving up on Lila, but I couldn’t…” She sighed. “I couldn’t give her the help she needed.”

Gina nodded. “Neither could I,” she whispered. Camila cocked her head. “I didn’t look at her file closely. I didn’t read about all the incidents, the lying, everything. I let her manipulate me.” Gina reached up and rubbed her forehead. “She helped a terrorist attack Paris because I enabled her.”

Camila’s eyes went wide. “She did what?!”

“She also skipped over a year of school!” Gina’s voice choked into a sob. “She’s getting me in trouble with the embassy because she made up stories about traveling everywhere, she’s getting into legal trouble, and she almost ruined one poor girl’s life!”

Camila clearly flinched. “She did?”

“Yes!” Alya stepped forward. “My best friend, Marinette Dupain-Cheng.” Ladybug blinked. “I…I also helped enable her. Without knowing! But I still helped her.” She presented the phone to Camila, who looked ready to faint. “I’m really sorry, Mrs. Noceda.”

Camila took the phone, allowing Ladybug to see that Alya had pulled up the Ladyblog. Specifically, on the video of Volpina helping Shadowmoth.

The woman was eerily quiet, staring at the screen. Her eyes were wide as the video first played. They narrowed as the video replayed a second time. A third time.

“...I…I can’t believe this.” Camila passed the phone back to Alya. Her hands were shaking, as though she was ready to throw the phone. “No. You know what? I can believe Lila would do that.”

Roger stepped forward. “Your answers will help us make sure, madame.”

“Ask away,” Camila said, taking a deep breath in and letting it out. “And then I want to talk to her. Luz has some questions of her own.” 

The door opened, revealing a girl. She was pretty, with golden hairclips pushing back hair to reveal golden eyes.

“Where’s my sister?”

[marcmarcmomarc]

Paris 2029 Concert

Hosted by Marinette Dupain-Cheng

Delmar, Luka Couffaine, Markov, Max Kanté, Nino Lahiffe, and Socqueline Wang: Stagehands

Chloé Bourgeois and Sabrina Raincomprix: “Shake It Off”

Lila Rossi: “I’m Still Standing”

Zoé Lee and the Pixie Hollow Fairies: “Could Have Been Me”

Mylène Haprèle and Ivan Bruel: “I Say A Little Prayer”

Juleka Couffaine: “Set It All Free”

Alix Kubdel: “Fight Song”

Nathaniel Kurtzberg: “My Way”

Alya Césaire: “Umbrella”

Rose Lavillant: “Happier”

Kagami Tsurugi: “Confident”

Kim Chiến Lê-Ature and Ondine: “Don’t Let Me Down”

Marc Anciel: “High Hopes”

Fei Wu: “Unstoppable”

Jessica Keynes and Aeon Hill: “Break Free”

Adrien Agreste and Félix Fathom: “I Still Haven’t Found What I’m Looking For”

Audience:

Miraculous: Tales of Ladybug & Cat Noir (VIP’s)

Tom Dupain, Sabine Cheng, Gabriel Agreste, Nathalie Sancoeur, Wang Fu, Marianne Fu, Nadja Chamack, Nora Césaire, Nooroo, Duusu, Olympia Hill, Barbara Keynes, Émilie Agreste, Amelie Graham de Vanily, Su-Han, Manon Chamack, Chris Lahiffe, Ella Césaire, Etta Césaire, André Bourgeois, Audrey Bourgeois, Tomoe Tsurugi, Roger Raincomprix, Caline Bustier, Gisèle, Harmonie Bustier, Adrien’s bodyguard, Butler Armand, Jagged Stone, Penny Rolling, Denis Damoclès, Olga Mendeleiev, André, Gina Bianchi, Rolland Dupain, Wang Cheng, Marlena Césaire, Otis Césaire, Anarka Couffaine, Jalil Kubdel, Alim Kubdel, Claudie Kanté, Mrs. Rossi, Fred Haprèle, Aurore Beauréal, Mireille Caquet, Théo Barbot, Clara Nightingale, Wayhem, Jean Duparc, Mr. Banana, Alec Cataldi, Vincent, Vincent Aza, Armand D’Argencourt, Philippe, Chris, Sarah, August, August’s mother, Xavier Ramier, Véronique, Arlette, Jean-Pierre Monlataing, Chloé’s doorman, Hessenpy, Simon Grimault, and Clara Contard

Avatar: The Last Airbender (VIP’s)

Aang, Zuko, Katara, Sokka, Toph Beifong, Suki, Iroh, Mai, Ty Lee, Azula, Appa, and Momo

The Dragon Prince (VIP’s)

Callum, Rayla, Ezran, Soren, Janai, Amaya, Zym, Terry, Aanya, Corvus, Runaan, Ethari, Opeli, Gren, Barius, Bait, Stella, and the Baitlings

She-Ra and the Princesses of Power (VIP’s)

Adora, Catra, Glimmer, Bow, Perfuma, Mermista, Entrapta, Frosta, Sea Hawk, Scorpia, Swift Wind, Wrong Hordak, Micah, Netossa, Spinnerella, Castaspella, Lonnie, Kyle, Rogelio, Melog, Imp, and Emily

The Incredibles

Bob Parr, Helen Parr, Violet Parr, Dashiell Parr, Jack-Jack Parr, Lucius Best, Edna Mode, Winston Deavor, Tony Rydinger, Kari McKeen, Voyd, Mirage, Rick Dicker, Krushauer, He-lectrix, Reflux, Brick, and Screech

The Loud House

Lincoln Loud, Clyde McBride, Lori Loud, Leni Loud, Luna Loud, Luan Loud, Lynn Loud Jr., Lucy Loud, Lana Loud, Lola Loud, Lisa Loud, Lily Loud, Lynn Loud Sr., Rita Loud, Howard McBride, Harold McBride, Bud Grouse, Ronnie Anne Santiago, Sid Chang, Bobby Santiago, Rosa Casagrande, Hector Casagrande, Maria Casagrande-Santiago, Arturo Santiago, Carlos Casagrande, Frida Puga Casagrande, Carlota Casagrande, CJ Casagrande, Carl Casagrande, Carlitos Casagrande, Sergio, and Lalo

Home

Oh, Tip Ticci, Lucy Tucci, Kyle, and Pig

Coco

Miguel Rivera, Dante, Elena Rivera, Enrique Rivera, Luisa Rivera, Berto Rivera, Carmen Rivera, Gloria Rivera, Franco Rivera, Abel Rivera, Rosa Rivera, Socorro Rivera, Benny Rivera, and Manny Rivera

Angry Birds

Red, Chuck, Bomb, Leonard, Silver, Garry, Courtney, Mighty Eagle, Matilda, Terence, Jay, Jake, Jim, Zeta, Debbie, Glenn, Ross, Mime, Stella, Bubbles, Hal, Zoe, Vivi, and Sam-Sam

Trolls

Queen Poppy, Branch, Biggie, Prince Cooper, Guy Diamond, Smidge, Satin, Chenille, DJ Suki, Queen Bridget, King Gristle, Viva, King Peppy, John Dory, Clay, Floyd, Spruce, Queen Barb, Tiny Diamond, Prince D, King Quincy, Queen Essence, Hickory, Dickory, Creek, Riff, Delta Dawn, King Trollex, Trollzart, Archer Pastry, Cloud Guy, Val, Demo, Holly Darlin’, Dante Crescendo, Lownote Jones, Synth, Legsly, King Thrash, Pennywhistle, Mr. Dinkles, and Fuzzbert

Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs

Flint Lockwood, Sam Sparks, Tim Lockwood, Earl Devereaux, Brent McHale, Manny, Steve, and Barb

Gravity Falls

Dipper Pines, Mabel Pines, Stanley Pines, Stanford Pines, Soos Ramirez, Wendy Corduroy, Waddles, Fiddleford McGucket, Grenda Grendinator, Candy Chiu, Robbie Valentino, Pacifica Northwest, Gideon Gleeful, and Melody

How to Train Your Dragon

Hiccup Horrendous Haddock III, Astrid Haddock, Fishlegs Ingerman, Snotlout Jorgenson, Tuffnut Thorston, Ruffnut Thorston, Valka Haddock, Zephyr Haddock, Nuffink Haddock, Gobber, and Eret

Monsters, Inc.

James P. Sullivan, Mike Wazowski, Boo, Celia Mae, Yeti, Squishy Squibbles, Don Carlton, Terry and Terri Perry, Art, Tylor Tuskman, Val Little, Fritz, Cutter Sterns, and Duncan P. Anderson

Despicable Me

Felonius Gru, Dru Gru, Lucy Wilde, Margo Gru, Edith Gru, Agnes Gru, Dr. Nefario, and the Minions

Hotel Transylvania

Count Dracula, Jonathan Loughran, Mavis Dracula, Frank Frankenstein, Eunice Frankenstein, Wayne Werewolf, Wanda Werewolf, Griffin, Murray, Dennis Dracula-Loughran, Vlad Dracula, Ericka Van Helsing, Abraham Van Helsing, Crystal, Winnie Werewolf, Blobby, Baby Blobby, and Puppy Blobby

Teen Titans

Robin, Beast Boy, Cyborg, Starfire, Raven, Bumblebee, Aqualad, Speedy, Kid Flash, Jinx, Red Hood, Ravager, Más, Menos, and Silkie

Sing

Buster Moon, Rosita, Ash, Johnny, Meena, Gunter, Eddie Noodleman, Miss Crawly, Clay Calloway, Porsha Crystal, Nooshy, Suki Lane, Darius, Alfonso, Nana Noodleman, Big Daddy, Norman, Meena’s Grandfather, Meena’s Mother, Meena’s Grandmother, Stan, and Barry

Big Hero 6

Hiro Hamada, Baymax, Fred Fredricksen, Wasabi No Ginger, Go Go Tomago, Honey Lemon, Cass Hamada, and Alistair Krei

Inside Out

Riley Andersen, Jill Andersen, Bill Andersen, Grace Hsieh, Bree Young, Valentina Ortiz, Dani, Ally, Sofia, Nour, and Coach Roberts

WALL-E

WALL-E, EVE, Captain B. McCrea, M-O, John, Mary, and the Reject Robots

Storks

Junior, Tulip, Jasper, Alpha Wolf, Beta Wolf, and Pigeon Toady

The Croods

Grug Crood, Eep Croods, Guy, Dawn Betterman, Ugga Crood, Gran Crood, Thunk Crood, Phil Betterman, Hope Betterman, Sandy Crood, Belt, Sash, and the pets

Abominable

Yi, Jin, Peng, Nai Nai, Mei, Mr. Burnish, and Everest

Rise of the Guardians

Jack Frost, Tooth Fairy, North, Easter Bunny, Sandman, Jamie, Caleb, Claude, Cupcake, Monty, Pippa, and Sophie

Frozen

Anna, Elsa, Kristoff, Olaf, Sven, Dustin Mattias, Yelena, Ryder, Honeymaren, Grandpabbie, Oaken, Bulda, and Marshmallow

Tangled

Rapunzel Fitzherbert, Eugene Fitzherbert, Queen Ariana, King Frederic, Pascal, Maximus, Hook Hand, Big Nose, Shorty, Vladimir, Ulf, Attila, Sideburns, and Patchy

Moana

Moana, Maui, Tui, Sina, Simea, Loto, Kele, Moni, Heihei, and Pua

The Princess and the Frog

Tiana, Naveen, Louis, Charlotte La Bouff, Big Daddy La Bouff, Mama Odie, and Eudora

Brave

Merida, Fergus, Elinor, Angus, Fergus’ dogs, Lord MacGuffin, Lord Macintosh, Lord Dingwall, Maudie, Young MacGuffin, Young Macintosh, Wee Dingwall, and the Clan Dingwall Hunk

The Mitchells vs. the Machines

Katie Mitchell, Rick Mitchell, Linda Mitchell, Aaron Mitchell, Eric, Deborahbot 5000, Mark Bowman, Hailey Posey, Jim Posey, Abbey Posey, Jade, Hanna, Dirk, Noah, and Monchi

Mr. Peabody & Sherman

Mr. Peabody, Sherman Peabody, Penny Peterson, Paul Peterson, Patty Peterson, Ms. Grunion, Marie Antoinette, King Tut, Ay, Agamemnon, Leonardo da Vinci, Mona Lisa

Phineas and Ferb

Phineas Flynn, Candace Flynn, Ferb Fletcher, Isabella García-Shapiro, Buford Van Stomm, Baljeet Tjinder, Heinz Doofenshmirtz, Linda Flynn-Fletcher, Lawrence Fletcher, Francis Monogram, Perry, Jeremy Johnson, Stacy Hirano, Carl Karl, Norm, Vanessa Doofenshmirtz, Gretchen, Adyson Sweetwater, Ginger Hirano, Holly, Katie, Milly, Roger Doofenshmirtz, Suzy Johnson, Irving, and Melanie

The Boss Baby

Ted Templeton Jr., Tim Templeton, Tina Templeton, Tabitha Templeton, Carol Templeton, Ted Templeton Sr., Janice Templeton, Jimbo, Staci, Fred, Rick, Fredrick, and Precious

Disney Fairies

Lizzy Griffiths, Dr. Martin Griffiths, and Mr. Twitches

The Owl House

Luz Noceda, Eda Clawthorne, King Clawthorne, Hooty, Amity Blight, Willow Park, Gus Porter, Hunter, Camila Noceda, Lilith Clawthorne, Raine Whispers, Darius Deamonne, Steve Tholumule, Vee Noceda, Masha, Emira Blight, Edric Blight, Skara, Viney, Katya, Amber, Derwin, Eberwolf, and the Palismen

Vivo

Vivo, Gabi Hernández, Rosa Hernández, Marta Sandoval, Becky, Eva, Sarah, Dancarino, and Valentina

Wish Dragon

Din Song, Li Na Wang, Mr. Wang, and Ms. Song

Jurassic World: Camp Cretaceous

Darius Bowman, Kenji Kon, Brooklynn, Yasmina Fadoula, Sammy Gutiérrez, Ben Pincus, Bumpy, Smoothie, Roxie, Dave, Mae Turner, Brandon Bowman, Mateo, Zayna Mballo, Cherise Mballo, Ousmane Mballo, Gia, Nonna, and Barry Sembenè

Luca

Luca Paguro, Alberto Scorfano, Giulia Marcovaldo, Massimo Marcovaldo, Daniela Paguro, Lorenzo Paguro, Grandma Libera Paguro, Ciccio, and Guido

Raya and the Last Dragon

Raya, Sisu, Namaari, Boun, Tong, Noi, Benja, Virana, and Tuk Tuk

Megamind

Megamind, Roxanne Ritchi, Ol’ Chum, Keiko Morita, and Music Man

Spirit Riding Free

Lucky Prescott, Pru Granger, Abigail Stone, Jim Prescott, Cora Prescott, Maricela Gutierrez, Kate Flores-Prescott, Snips Stone, Bianca, Mary Pat, Turo, Julian Prescott, Al Granger, Fannie Granger, Althea Bradley, Mixtli, Javier, Bebe Shuman, Urszula Lin Yang, Daphne Vissor, Rose Pendleton, Jack Ledger, Lydia Sterling, Alex Fox, Beef Wellington, Sahir Kapoor, Priya Kapoor, Polly Prescott, and the horses

Encanto

Mirabel Madrigal, Alma Madrigal, Bruno Madrigal, Luisa Madrigal, Isabela Madrigal, Julieta Madrigal, Agustín Madrigal, Pepa Madrigal, Félix Madrigal, Camilo Madrigal, Dolores Madrigal, Antonio Madrigal, Mariano Guzmán, and Sra. Guzmán

Turning Red

Meilin Lee, Miriam Mendelsohn, Abby Park, Priya Mangal, Tyler Nguyen-Baker, Ming Lee, Jin Lee, Grandma Wu Lee, Auntie Chen, Lily, Helen, Auntie Ping, Mr. Gao, Stacy Frick, Devon, Sammy, Lauren, Kat, Carter Murphy-Mayhew, and Jaiden

Shrek

Shrek, Donkey, Fiona, Puss in Boots, Kitty Softpaws, Perrito, Gingy, Pinocchio, Goldilocks, Papa Bear, Mama Bear, Baby Bear, Doris, Queen Lillian, the Three Little Pigs, the Big Bad Wolf, the Three Blind Rats, Snow White, Sleeping Beauty, Cinderella, Rapunzel, Farkle, Fergus, and Felicia

Gnome Alone

Chloe, Liam, Catherine, Zook, Zamfeer, Alpha, Charlie, Bravo, and Quicksilver

The Bad Guys

Mr. Wolf, Mr. Snake, Ms. Tarantula, Mr. Piranha, Mr. Shark, Diane Foxington, and Misty Luggins

Fast & Furious: Spy Racers

Tony Toretto, Echo Pearl, Frostee Benson, Cisco Renaldo, Layla Gray, Ms. Nowhere, Gary, Julius, Palindrome, Sissy Benson, Wanda Benson, Tiffany Benson, and Tuco

Ruby Gillman: Teenage Kraken

Ruby Gillman, Agatha Gillman, Granmama Gillman, Arthur Gillman, Uncle Brill, Sam Gillman, Connor, Margot, Bliss, and Trevin

[miraculous-prompts]

Take ML and your favorite book and smash them together to make an AU with Ladybug!Emilie and Befana as the primary members of the cast

[pandaofsecrets]

What's in a Name? — Miraculous Ladybug

1. DUPAIN-CHENG, AGRESTE & GRAHAM DE VANILY

1.1. Dupain-Cheng

Dupain: "of bread", in French.

Cheng: most likely from 程 (chéng) meaning "schedule", "journey", or "procedure". It is the surname of Chinese-born French academician and writer François Cheng.

Marinette: a diminutive of "Marie" and sometimes used as a form of "Marine", it is ultimately derived from an Egyptian name meaning "love, beloved", which was later associated with the Hebrew words for "bitter" and "rebellion". It is etymologically connected to the name of the Ladybug Miraculous: in languages like English and German, the ladybug is named after the Virgin Mary.

"Marinette" is also a noun in French, namely the feminine form of "marin", meaning "sailor", and was thus most likely also chosen in reference to Sailor Moon. In Middle French, it also meant "compass"—a tidbit to keep in mind when watching Captain Hardrock.

The name is very old-fashioned. It was most frequently used from 1927 to 1957, owing to the popularity of the book series "Contes du chat perché", whose main characters were named Delphine and Marinette.

Tom: short form of "Thomas", which comes from an Aramaic word meaning "twin". References series creator Thomas Astruc.

Sabine: from the name of an Italic tribe that inhabited what is now Lazio. Is a reference to the woman who initially inspired Thomas Astruc to create Miraculous Ladybug.

Gina: short form of several Italian names that end with "-gina", such as Regina or Georgina. Was popularized by Italian actress Gina Lollobrigida, whose birth name was Luigina.

Rolland: English variant of "Roland", which is in turn derived from two Germanic elements meaning "fame" and either "land" or "brave". Roland was the name of a semi-legendary Frankish military leader, whose story is told in the epic poem "La Chanson de Roland". Aside from the historical associations, it was probably chosen as a pun on "rolling pin".

Wang: "king", in Mandarin.

1.2. Agreste

Agreste: meaning "rustic" in French, it's also used in the figurative sense of "rude, uncivilized". Is also the French word for the greyling butterfly (Hipparchia semele).

Adrien: ultimately derived from the name of an Etruscan city, which in turn might have been derived from a word meaning "water". Was probably chosen in reference to the Adriatic Sea, since Marinette, Luka, and Félix's names also have a nautical theme.

Athanase: from "Athanasios", a Greek name meaning "immortal".

Gabriel: "God is my strongman", in Hebrew. This is the name of an archangel associated with carrying messages from God. Was most likely chosen in reference to fashion designer Coco Chanel, whose real name was Gabrielle.

Émilie: of Latin origin, it is probably derived from the word "aemulus", which means "rival" or "envious, jealous", and is etymologically related to the word "emulate". Is also most likely a reference to Emily Lyman, mother of Harry Osborn.

1.3. Graham de Vanily

Graham: from two Old English words meaning "gravel" and "homestead".

de Vanily: from the word "vanilla". Together with Emilie and Amelie's first names and their other surname, it forms a pun: in French, "Emilie/Amelie Graham de Vanily" sounds kind of like "un milligramme de vanille", meaning "a milligram of vanilla".

Fathom: from a unit of length equal to about 1.8 meters (6 feet, for the Americans), chiefly used in nautical measurements. As a verb, it means "to measure the depth of something", and is also used figuratively to mean "to comprehend, understand".

Félix: from a Latin word meaning "happy, lucky". Used to be Adrien's name in previous drafts of the story, and was thus most probably a reference to both Felix the Cat and Felicia Hardy.

Amélie: from a Germanic word meaning "work, activity".

Colt: from an English word meaning "young male horse", it was most famously the surname of American industrialist Samuel Colt, owner of the Colt firearms company.

[princess-of-the-corner]

That AU where Adrien and Mari have to kiss to transform has one of my fav Lila’s:

Adrien Agreste?

 The child of the globally famous fashion designer Gabriel Agreste and the even more famous, worldwide superstar actress Emilie Graham de Vanily. Once a power couple that rocked the world with their brightness until the beautiful woman's tragic disappearance changed the family's life forever.

 The blond boy was an international model, his face unmissable considering the number of billboards it's plastered on and he was the proclaimed hottest teen in Europe according to all the magazine ratings and rabid fan clubs. Not to mention that he's a talented fencer, awarded with many medals and trophies and just as incredibly accomplished on the piano. He was a boy of such high intelligence and profile.

 A perfect boyfriend material for lil' ol' Rossi.

 And Marinette Dupain-Cheng? 

 The child of the best bakers of France, Sabine Cheng and Tom Dupain, where people all around the world practically zoom in just for a taste of their delicious concoctions; said delectable recipes an amalgamation of European cuisine and East Asian cuisine. Her eccentric grandmother, Gina Dupain, is quite popular too in Italy with her travel vlogs and daredevil adventures! And her great-uncle, Wang Cheng, is a world-renowned chef, currently the holder of eighteen Michelin stars and has collaborated with the likes of Gordon Ramsey, Chan Yan-Tak and even Alaine Ducasse.

 As for the girl herself; not only was she an incredible designer and engineer with a talent that has made professionals froth with her designs at Gabriel's contest and the glasses she created for the Jagged Stone, she was just as gifted with the food she creates and just so exceptionally smart. Not to mention that she's the class president, equipped with brilliant leadership skills, confidence, resilience and just so endearingly clumsy. She was so pretty and good-looking too.  A perfect girlfriend material for cute ol' Rossi as well.

Honestly if Lila had targeted both of them for a polycule I think things would've worked out a lot better